April 20, 2013 banter, and a weirdly timed April 11th video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKTsKMPigl4

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o Did they find him??
about an hour ago via mobile • Like
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Ryan Griffith I still don’t think he’s going to be taken alive.
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David Christian Hamblin Pray for his soul…poor kid
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Heather Kerr The 19 year old, right?
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Michigan J. Pickle Yes, that kid. We need him alive, we must know what he was thinking, and if there is more to expect, and how wide the threat is. And David Christian Hamblin , we can decide later whether we want to be gentle with him or not >:-) (love yooouuuu)
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Mike Stenzel Fresh out of sympathy. Yes we need his info, but if he dies, I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.
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Dave Spiro That’s his choice, Pickle. If he’s not going to stop firing, or start throwing other explosives, he chooses his own fate.
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Michigan J. Pickle I want the London Marathon to be safe, and everything else, and we’ll never know if they had other contacts overseas unless we ask, so please, I pray, take him alive, alive, alive
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Laurel Stone YES! We need him alive! I, for one, NEED to hear (if he’ll ever talk about it) WHY he and his brother did such a horrible thing.
about an hour ago • Like
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David Christian Hamblin doesn’t really matter…what is done is done…nothing will ever bring back the people or help those who are torn a-part….HATE and FEAR made it happen…
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Dave Spiro There is no reason, whatever their cause or belief, to do what they did.
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Michigan J. Pickle But David (and Dave! Hi, Dave!), we can find out if they are working with or planning anything else. The London Marathon is is this week, and Susan Henesy of England will be there to cheer her son, and I need to know they will be safe … and that all of our big events will be safe … we all need to be safe and not worry about these little shits bombing us. You know where I’m coming from. Make him talk!
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David Christian Hamblin safe is an illusion my dear…we are not safe….OK city…NYC…WashingtonDC….PA…we are not safe anymore…this is a new world we live in…
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Catherine Rigoux when you kill innocents well you have to pay of your life! alive and be in jail as long as possible .dead ! way to easy for a killer..way to easy so i cross my fingers to the police catching him alive ..alive
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Doug Stuber OH boy, now I’m started. There is NO REASON any person or country would have violence-level issues with the United States…is this right? Of the 800,000 to 1 million killed in Iraq, how many were innocents? The U.S. has intervened militarily 88 times since World War II, and though Non-violence is even above the environment on the top ten tenants of the Green Party, and I dislike violence immensely, at least one should take the time to UNDERSTAND WHY people hate the U.S.
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Dave Spiro And how does that apply to the current situation? How will that help the police deal with this criminal, and make no doubt, he IS a criminal. What you’re suggesting is the purview of politicians. What is happening now in Watertown is its own issue.
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Dave Spiro He’s in custody, and is alive…
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Doug Stuber Doesn’t it take about 10 years on death row before anyone is executed in the U.S.? plus the ten step appeals process is still in effect in MA, so, uh, he’s not going to be executed any time soon I figure. it was RAMSEY CLARK, the former Attorney general of the US under Republican administrations, AND LEAD DEFENSE LAWYER for Saddam Hussein, who kept Saddam Hussein alive for many months after he was captured so HUSSEIN could continually whip up the Suni troops to keep fighting the Shias. Now, Why would the US allow Ramsey Clark to DEFEND Saddam Hussein, OTHER than WANTING Hussein to stay alive and whip up sect violence? Imagine, if you can, that Shias and Suni killing each other means we Don’t have to do the shooting. hard to grasp? Then why did we sell arms to BOTH sides of the Iraq/Iran war, 1983-1986? In this war we FIRST back only IRAQ. Iraq was our friend then having cleared Turkey of its problem with Kurds with chemical weapons made in Germany and GIVEN to Saddam Hussein by the USA. But wait, under Reagan, the Contras had been cut off form money (thanks to something other than a spineless congress) so how could the Contras continue to be funded? OH, I know, SELL ARMS TO IRAN, our sworn enemy, which Oliver North and a huge team of over and underlings pulled off, shipping ALL PROFITS to the Contras Illegally. Remember Iran/Contra? The result? 1.2 million Iranians dead and 780,00 Iraqis dead. it was the softening period before Desert Storm. Followed by “shock and Awe.” “Mission Accomplished?” a famous banner on an aircraft carrier was only applicable if by this Bush II meant we had Hussein in custody, AND we spent a lot of military supplies so that the military economic complex could keep on humming. But less than two years later Oliver North ran for Senate, and with Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority backing missed winning a seat by less than one percent. Wow, is the US populace hornswaggled by propaganda or what?
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Dave Spiro Londa – Of course it doesn’t! But, it does give us insight into why these people, in this instance, did what they did, and might – MIGHT – help to pinpoint others who might be contemplatingthe same thing. There are, however, never any guarantees.
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Londa Stenzel Yes Dave, I understand that, but Michigan seems to be under the impression that the why’s will somehow make the world safer.
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Dave Spiro And as someone else pointed out, the fact that he’s alive means they can grill him on things like any other devices around (they already found 7 IED’s today), and if there are any accomplises. They’ve already arrested people in New Bedford.
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Dave Spiro Okay…Who did you write for?

I have written for the Roanoke Times and World News, The Weekly Independent, The Florida Alligator, The Yellow Springs News, the Brighton-Pittsford Post, The City Newspaper (Rochester, New York) and for more than just a few magazines.  My favorite work was during the 1987 International Peace Walk when 60 papers picked up my stories about what was happening on a walk form (then) Leningrad to Moscow, in which 250 Americans and 250 Russians took a one-month stroll for peace.  I’ve averaged over 2 magazine stories per month since moving to South Korea in 2007.  I wonder why it matter who I have written for?  What matters to me is at least three sources for each news story, and how close to the truth I can get.  But, as Plato rightly noticed “Poetry is more likely than history,” so on top of last years book “Modern Russian History,” with co-authors Ivan S. Kuznetsov and Elena V. Katshevtseva, I also have published seven volumes of poetry (through various publishers) in the US, and four more volumes here, two of which through the Chonnam National University Press.  My documentary about the Roanoke Virginia homeless population was made in 1988, and exposed the way the Veterans Administration Hospital was dumping psychotic war veterans on the street.  you can find what you might find interesting BLog work on two sites:  https://dougstuber.wordpress.com/   and   http://gicjournal.wordpress.com/  I have a couple videos up on Youtube as well, but more may come along.  One question those around Boston might find fun:  Who is more true Howard Zinn or Richard Hofstaeder, in the history realm.  And then try Noam Chomsky versus William F. Buckley.  Stories are almost always written from the winners point of view in history, and from the point of view of whomever the writer’s boss is at newspapers in magazines, except in very rare instances of multi-faceted journalism, sometimes practiced at the Economist, but not often even at the New Yorker, even though I like their point of view.  Was Seymour Hirsch correct about Abu Graib, and decades earlier, the Mi Lai massacre in Vietnam, yup, you better believe he was.  The problem is, true investigative journalism is dying in the US, leading to a government that feels that it can, and often DOES get away with things that a true democracy would, theoretically, minus propaganda, vote out of office.

Doug Stuber The US becomes safer when we STOP doing the things that piss people off. Political or not, WHEN i mean WHEN will we stop trying to control all resources, human and natural? More importantly, when will we come to the realization that capitalism isn’t working anymore? The ONE+TWO punch of totalitarian capitalism (the US government gives tax breaks to corporations who MOVE JOBS OVERSEAS!) and the military economic complex OWNING our legislative AND Executive branch (heck throw in the Supreme Court, just look at the 2010 Citizen’s United Case) and WHAMMO

REBECCA GREENFIELD3:48 PM ET
The same week that the New York Post first falsely reported the Boston bombing suspect was a Saudi national then falsely put a Moroccan-American track runner on its cover, it accurately reported on Friday an attack on an innocent Bangladeshi man living in the Bronx who some “idiots” mistook for an Arab. Abdullah Faruque, a South Asian network engineer, was at an Applebees on Monday night when he was accosted by a group of three or four men, reports the Post, after they asked if he was an Arab. It wasn’t until he got home, his shoulder dislocated, that he found out about the bombing at the Boston Marathon. “I saw the news, and then it hits me: That’s why I got jumped,” he told the Post.
It’s possible for this sort of baseless revenge to happen, with or without the Post’s help. But it’s worth wondering where these men— and the one who assaulted a Muslim doctor in Boston, and the ones who vandalized the future site of a Boston mosque—got the idea for taking out revenge on a “dark skinned male” in the wake of the bombing.
The Muslim community expects it, at this point. “A certain routine has emerged, in which some Muslims seem compelled to make clear that they denounce the violence and consider it a violation of Islam — often even before the attacker’s religion is determined,” Max Fisher wrote over at The Washington Post. Rather than sit back while people (and journalists) speculate, they attempt to distance the religion as a whole from the situation. Circulating false information about the identities of suspects in major newspapers and TV networks kind of counteracts those efforts.
At this point it’s still not quite clear the link between the suspects and Islam, but even so the Islamic community is preempting more negative responses like the unfortunate revenge attacks this week. Dzhokhar Tsaraev listed Islam on a social media profile, and his deceased brother may have posted a video associated with Al Qaeda. Though, the endearing uncle of the two suspects assured the media today that the actions have nothing to do with Islam. Yet, the mutterings of the word “muslim” going around today have already led to a heightened awareness from the Muslim American community about further retaliation. Several American Muslim groups came out Friday condemning the attacks, including a Boston mosque, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Masjid At-Tawheed of York, and Ahmadiyya Muslim Community USA.
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