14 October 2013 Conversation

• So, how are you?
Great bunch if junior high school back stabbing dingbats we gave in Washington these days. It’s unreal the extent they are going to protect price gauging in medicine. What a “government”! By the rich, of the rich, and for the rich” people
• Today

2:05am
Marilyn Davis
i still think the problem is not so much the government but those who roll over for a buck
meaning any one of us in those times that we have or do.
9:23am
Doug Stuber
But for the sheer fairness of it all, the fact that the government passes laws Written by the rich, of the rich and for the rich ONLY creates a system far different than the one we grew up with. One in which the owners of the means of production control the entire lives of all their employees, to the benefit of ONLY the shareholder class.
9:29am
Marilyn Davis
hi
9:29am
Doug Stuber
everyone has to make money: that is a problem in and of itself. SO no one can be blamed for making a safe house for their family. but the safety nets for those who do not “measure up” have been replaced by continual wars, more jails and an expanding lower class. The real problem then isn’t people who attempt to live in better conditions by becoming better educated and making more money by getting better jobs. The real problem is that this dog-eat-dog system leaves so many behind and we’ve WASTED our resources in order to feed those who manufacture bombs, nuclear power, etc. The native Americans had a short but interesting lifespan, and the MAIN GOAL spiritually of most tribes was to make sure everyone in the tribe felt their contribution was vital to the tribe, even if all they could do was tie boondoggle knots. This sense of brotherhood and dedication to helping others is so missing in today’s world, that the few who dedicate their lives to helping others are considered freaks. My only shot at redemption is to help others. My students are stunned at how much I help anyone who wants it. No other professors do that here. More than one Korean professor has been upset at how much I do it. HEHE. If the average folks in our towns don’t turn away from their own quests and MAKE HELPING OTHERS their quest, our governments will run all over us. SO I am saying the same thing as you, in a different way.

9:30am
Marilyn Davis
now this looks like a rant if i ever saw on give me a second i want to hear this
9:30am
Doug Stuber
In Simpler terms:
9:31am
Doug Stuber
Ode to Horace Mann Be ashamed to die until you have won Some victory for humanity. Horace Mann
Be aware that energy is life, save some for your kids.
Be afraid that our minds are bent by news not books.
Be awed by the healing power of the simple purple cone flower.
Be amazed that after four short years she knows so much.
Be awake before the bombs drop, before the money rules.
Be agile: live in a town that walks and bikes to work and play.
Be amused by ants and birds, goats and potato fields, lilacs and sycamores.
Be angry only long enough to solve the problem, then move on.
Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity.

• so many thing going on so fast right now in a way leading up to this debt deadline
• and the potential changing of the guard
• or political structure
• or leadership
• or military manouver
• did i loose you?
• the money thing and the tribe thing
• it is much on my mind or under my microscope
• interesting thing to the tribe thing these days legally is that the tribe owns the child not the parents which for some can be problematic
• 9:43am
Doug Stuber
well yes there is a ton going on, and pointing to the debt, which was tripled from $1 to $3 Trillion (3,000,000,000,000) under Reagan and has continued to blossom all but two years (both under Clinton, by sheer luck)

9:45am
Marilyn Davis
have you heard of the color changing dragon that seems to be about to breath fire
one thing that concerns me is the historic debtors jail and David

9:46am
Doug Stuber
is one way to go. Then the grab for resources is another point of view. The declining ecosystem is another interesting point. Fukushima alone makes another case for the lunacy of nuclear power, not to mention nuclear bombs. None of this can be tackled by mere voters, as the system is rigged. I like Peace Boat and many others who suggest creating communities that make what they need, share the clothes they already have, and defy the globalized system by being self contained, self-sufficient units. The USA is a long way from this by far, but Ithaca NY and Chapel Hill NC, are nibbling at the edges of this with their OWN CURRENCIES, free busses, and, thankfully, massive tax bases due to great jobs in the area.

9:46am
Marilyn Davis
i am extremely concerned
not to mention the useless eaters or something like a draft

9:49am
Doug Stuber
Oh yes breathing dragon….it’s a way of saying that if the economy collapses the US will start another big war to try to squeeze even more productivity per man-hour out of its remain factories, the rest of which have already been shipped to cheaper labor, hence lowering the value of labor EVERYWHERE…to the point where an entire lost generation exists in half of Europe due to no jobs. Oh what the folks at the top will so to make more profit for themselves, IT IS STUNNING. US Corporations got a TAX BREAK for moving jobs overseas. How’s that for “government?” he he?

A Draft is possible if the big war starts
containing protests if the economy really fails is already possible if any of the FEMA camps I read about are real. I guess they are
Useless eaters? Not sure about that reference
Marilyn Davis

• the old and the young
the disabled
the useless eaters” the population reduction by 2/3rds

9:54am
Doug Stuber
hey hey hey I like those folks, I am old and my son is young, does that make us useless eaters? he he

• Doug Stuber
So who is planning to get rid of us, and how can they if we grow our own food?
9:57am
Marilyn Davis
German history (more than i ever wanted to know) has now crossed me some and it is still moving right along with different names to old dirt

9:57am
Doug Stuber
Id this the Monsanto GMO theory? Meaning, they can refuse to sell seeds to say Africa or India any time they want, and thus decimate the poor? Already 45,000 Indian farmers have committed suicide once they realized their new seeds meant they would have to BUY seeds every year. Oh Monsanto is the DEVIL for sure

Marilyn Davis
yes
we are definitely on the same page there

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